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Why no Diesel in US?

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New guy here, question, if chysler builds all Caliber's here in the US plus exports them, why is it we can't get the Diesel engine option? I know a lot of US auto builders don't seem to like deisels and don't like sellig them. I've been to Germany this past April and saw about 50% or better of the small cars runnig diesels and they seem to run very clean.

I know the US want's to set some kind of emission standard, but there are clean burning diesels sold in Europe. Any reason why they don't want them here? Shouldn't we have the option to order diesel engines if we want them?

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they are? do i go to to find them
If you go to our International section there is a Dodge World thread that lists all the territories Calibers were sold in.

Many of the sites have now been taken down by CHRYSLER.

We still do not really know why Daimler built the global Dodge network or why Fiat is cutting so much of the Dodge range.

Assume The 2.0 VW Diesel Caliber is in all territories except the Americas.

Easiest for you will be EUROPE. There are auto brokers who will source and import your vehicle for you.

If you have any family in the forces they can buy and ship tax free.

The MY10 is a 2,2 Mercedes Diesel Caliber and in LHD they would be in Europe.
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The Fiat Freemont diesel (Dodge Journey) is a current product and will be easier to find.
Depends on your budget.
Why do you want to transfer an engine, if you have some advantage there you could buy the sensors and TIPM parts over the web from a breaker.

If you do not want a VW car or Audi Q5, then a CX5 may be cheaper. Debadge, RAM centre caps, and fender decals, mesh grille, and you almost have the CUV look.
A long time ago in a land far far away when everyone knew things and were told what to think
the accepted view from 1991

20 years later the majority of new car purchases are powered by Diesel
USA Q1 2012 sales vs Q1 2011

Diesels up 35 %

Hybrids up 37 %
Those numbers will fall as gas prices fall (they're inching down again)
US diesel choices

Volkswagen Jetta TDI, Volkswagen Golf TDI, Volkswagen Passat TDI, Volkswagen Touareg TDI, Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen TDI, Audi A3 TDI, Audi Q7 TDI, Mercedes-Benz ML350 BlueTEC, Mercedes-Benz GL350 BlueTEC, Mercedes-Benz R350 BlueTEC, Mercedes-Benz S350 BlueTEC, Mercedes-Benz E350 BlueTEC and BMW X5 xDrive35d.

Coming 2012
Porsche Cayenne, Audi A6, Audi A8, Audi Q5, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Cadillac ATS and Chevrolet Cruze
Why no Diesel in US? Americans remember tales of when there were

1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Diesel
( ©2012 General Motors LLC. GM Media Archive )
As bad as the 5.7-liter Olds diesel V8 was, the 4.3-liter version was worse. Sold only in the '79 Cutlass, the 4.3 diesel made 90 hp.
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The UK's best selling diesel car in 2011 was the Volkswagen Golf hatchback.
In 2011 diesel-powered cars outsold petrol-powered cars for the first time ever in the UK.
So it turns out that "real Americans" are truly green.

"...the Obama administration on Friday proposed tighter restrictions on soot, a pollutant caused mainly by smokestacks and diesel engines..."

So, as we can plainly see, American avoidance of Diesel cars is right in line with the desires of the Obama administration and the EPA.
No oily soot spewing vehicles for us, just good old clean-burning gasoline powered cars. We are truly the "greenest nation on earth".

(like my MSM-ish presentation of the news?)
The US will never have a majority of Diesel engines.
The fuel there is at a premium which will deter the payback equation.
The trend is for lighter vehicles with smaller gas turbo engines.

Meanwhile 20% or so will be driving the Diesel transplants. VAG/BMW/MB/Mazda/Jeep/Chevy
Yes - the "premium" price for Diesel fuel is very evident in the US.

Installation of turbochargers allows the re-use of large amounts existing technology while increasing both power output and efficiency. Turbocharging gas engines will render hybrid vehicles useless.
The turbo will allow massive power when needed, yet allow much smaller engines for normal cruising. Also, let's not forget direct injection for gasoline engines either.
Keep forgetting there are places where direct injection is a new thing.
We take it for granted as it became standard for emmission control some 15 years ago.
Keep forgetting there are places where direct injection is a new thing.
We take it for granted as it became standard for emmission control some 15 years ago.
A lot of American "motorhead" types still don't trust standard fuel injection systems - they still believe in carburetors. Actually, you can still get high performance carburetors in many of the US auto parts chain stores.
Chrysler “EcoClean” Clean Diesel Range Headed to America

The chosen brand name for the new line of diesel models on their way to the United States is “EcoDiesel” and the artwork shown was registered with the U.S. Patents and Trademark office in June. Notice the “3.0L” nomenclature which is a huge hint that gives away the displacement of what the first rendition we can expect to see.

Chrysler/Fiat report that the engine will offer an impressive 241 horsepower and 406 pound feet of torque. The first vehicle this engine should make its starring appearance in is the Jeep Grand Cherokee, along with a five speed automatic gearbox. Rumor has it that the expected EPA fuel economy should be at about 23 city miles per gallon and 33 highway miles per gallon. This is a significant improvement over the current Cherokee that uses regular gas and gets 17 city and 23 highway miles per gallon. This will have to wait however until a new ZF sourced eight speed automatic is developed as the automaker wants to offer a gearbox that will improve fuel economy and acceleration. We should expect to see something for the 2014 models.

From March 2012 ...

Fiat is buying GM’s share of VM Motori, the advanced diesel engine maker which is Chrysler’s main diesel supplier in Europe. Fiat already owns half of the company, which has changed hands numerous times in recent years. VM’s new RA630 V6 engine is designed to meet both American and European emissions requirements, and is to be used in the American version of the Jeep Grand Cherokee as well as, it appears, unnamed other Jeeps or Rams. An older version of the 3-liter V6 is used in the European-specification Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Lancia Thema (Chrysler 300)
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As recently as 2008, auto manufacturers sold barely 250,000 diesel vehicles in the U.S. This year, the number is expected to top 400,000. A forecast by AutoPacific anticipates the numbers will reach 900,000 by 2017.

Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum. "With more than 15 new clean diesel models designated for the U.S. in the next two years, I fully expect diesel sales to increase even more extensively in the near future.”

VW has seen demand for the technology rapidly outpace expectations, said Jonathan Browning, CEO of the Volkswagen Group of America — which includes Audi, another brand scoring gains with the technology. Demand for the diesel version of the new VW Passat has already stretched the limits of capacity, in part because the automaker is struggling to get enough diesel engine components shipped from Europe to its new VW plant in Tennessee. In a recent interview, Browning said it is possible the diesel model could go from 15 percent of the total U.S. Passat mix to 30 percent.

Gas-electric powertrain technology is generally more fuel-efficient in urban, stop-and-go settings where hybrids are able to recapture and reuse energy normally lost during braking and coasting. But on the highway, diesels are likely to deliver better numbers.
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We'll see what happens as far as Diesel goes in the US.

When you really look at it, hybrid is a complex and expensive technology that combines the worst and most undesirable of gasoline and electric propulsion into one system.
It has little chance of long-term success.

Even now, few to no independent shops will service a hybrid vehicle, so you are stuck at the dealer even for a lot of basic work.

Diesel - lots of places in the US will do that.
Vincentric analyzed 23 diesels on sale in the United States—11 of them classified as commercial vehicles and 12 as consumer vehicles. It looked at overall cost of ownership for five years, with 15,000 miles driven annually. Based on this analysis, nine diesels had five-year ownership costs that are lower than equivalent models with gas engines,

Vincentric, a research firm in Bingham Farms, Mich., specializes in calculating cost of ownership for vehicles and tracks more than 2,000 models. Eight factors go into its cost of ownership calculations: depreciation, financing, fees and taxes, fuel, insurance, maintenance, repairs and opportunity cost.

“Clean-diesel” technology, emissions are now cleaner than what comes from many gasoline vehicles—which is a major role reversal.

“An additional noteworthy point is that on a percentage basis, diesels have lower depreciation, but because they cost more to purchase, their total dollars of depreciation are higher,”

Diesel sales jumped 27.5 percent in the first half of the year, compared with a 14.9 percent increase in total new car sales, according to data compiled by and Baum & Associates, a research firm in West Bloomfield, Mich.

“The range of these vehicles is really quite phenomenal,” says Schaeffer, who drives a Mercedes E350 Bluetec. “Some have a range of over 700 miles on a single tank of fuel. They might cost $75 or so to fill up, but then you might not be filling up again for a couple weeks.”

But diesel buyers are attracted by more than just extra miles per gallon, he says. They appreciate that clean-diesel technology is proven and robust, and they like the way the vehicles drive, with their torquey engines that provide good acceleration.

Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum, sees diesel sales “easily doubling” in the next three to five years as automakers introduce new models. Audi, BMW, Chrysler, General Motors, Mazda and Mercedes have all announced plans to launch new diesel vehicles.

The details remain in flux, but new entries from Chrysler, GM and Mazda in particular have the potential to really move diesel from the fringes to the masses by offering the technology in popular affordable models—such as the Chevrolet Cruze, in GM’s case—Schaeffer says.
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Was doing some research (EMD 2 stroke engines), and came across something that stated that Rudolf Diesel was an avowed socialist - wonder if that's true?
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