Problems with Turbo and loss of power

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jeni

Discussion Starter · Feb 23, 2011

Hi,

I have Caliber CRD 2.0 diesel 6 speed 2007 and have had 2 problems one right after the other one. First had ESP/ABS light went on and there was a sensor not working in one of the wheels. it got replaced and lights are now off and ESP/ABS is working again.
Two weeks have passed and now I have another problem. I was going into the dual carraige way building up speed and suddenly the car lost all the power. Engine still working but no power at all. No lights came on indicating a problem so I drove for a few miles stopped, turned the engine on and the problem was gone but not resolved as this has happened to me two more times always when going fast 70 plus mile and again no power, turn engine off and on and again working.
Local Garage has told me that there is a problem (probably overboost) with VNT turbo and computer. All these new turbos seem to have problems. Problem could be some kind selenoide (valve) which receives information from the computer or the turbo itself not working and will need to be replaced. They will connect the car to the computer and see what errors are there. Also I was told that there is a software upgrade that may solve the problem but it seems that can be only done in a Dodge/Chrysler garage.
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks...

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Prop1

· #2 · Feb 23, 2011

I think you maybe experiencing what is described in this TSB: http://www.caliberforumz.com/showthread.php?t=26418

Or it could be this TSB: http://www.caliberforumz.com/showthread.php?t=26385

gragall78

· #3 · Feb 23, 2011

that happened to me a few times to, the turbo went into limp mode but it resets itself when the car is restarted. for me the first time was scary because it happened when i was passing a huge truck and i had to pull back and then pull over thinking i blew the turbo. it seems to happen when you put the turbo under alot of stress. it was a hilly journey and i was dogging it. the computer shuts the turbo down to save it getting damaged.

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jeni

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 27, 2011

Hi I went to my local garage and they looked at the fault with the computer and is an overboost. They recomended to go the Dodge dealer and see if they have software upgrade. If they have install and try out. If this does not work change the valve (aculator) turbo and if this does not work turbo has to be changed which is the most expensive option. Not happy the car has only 36 k miles which is nothing for a diesel engine. garage reset the car computer and I also disconected the negative battery for 1 hour. Drove today and had no problems. The other thing I did before taking the car to the garage and was something I read in a VW forum was to rev hard and force the engine when the car has reached working temperature this could clean or lossen particles stuck in the turbo that could be causing the problem. I will try the car for a few days and if this happens again will take the car to the Dodge/chrysler dealer and will let everybody know what has been done to the car. This a is a mayor fault on this kind of turbos that these cars have becauseit is VNT turbo it has moving vanes and if they do not move the car computer detects and shuts down the turbo. It is a fault in many makes of cars. two links below explain fault.

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/limp-mode-TDI-fix.htm

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a4/VNT-wastegate-adjust.htm

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Prop1

· #5 · Feb 27, 2011

jeni said:
Hi I went to my local garage and they looked at the fault with the computer and is an overboost. They recomended to go the Dodge dealer and see if they have software upgrade. If they have install and try out. If this does not work change the valve (aculator) turbo and if this does not work turbo has to be changed which is the most expensive option. Not happy the car has only 36 k miles which is nothing for a diesel engine. garage reset the car computer and I also disconected the negative battery for 1 hour. Drove today and had no problems. The other thing I did before taking the car to the garage and was something I read in a VW forum was to rev hard and force the engine when the car has reached working temperature this could clean or lossen particles stuck in the turbo that could be causing the problem. I will try the car for a few days and if this happens again will take the car to the Dodge/chrysler dealer and will let everybody know what has been done to the car. This a is a mayor fault on this kind of turbos that these cars have becauseit is VNT turbo it has moving vanes and if they do not move the car computer detects and shuts down the turbo. It is a fault in many makes of cars. two links below explain fault.

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/limp-mode-TDI-fix.htm

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a4/VNT-wastegate-adjust.htm

Yeah, but did you bother to look at the TSBs I linked you to that cover the issue you describe? I mean it's not like you have to search that far. It's a known problem that Dodge addresses with the TSBs.

jeni

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 27, 2011

Prop1 said:
Yeah, but did you bother to look at the TSBs I linked you to that cover the issue you describe? I mean it's not like you have to search that far. It's a known problem that Dodge addresses with the TSBs.

Yes, I saw your link and thanks.
Hopefully the problem can be solved reprograming the ECM only.

jeni

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jun 25, 2011

jeni said:
Yes, I saw your link and thanks.
Hopefully the problem can be solved reprograming the ECM only.

It has been some time give you update. I took the care to the dealer and they did upgrade on the computer program. The next day was in the motorway and the car failed again and all lights came on (check engine, ABS etc.) took the car back to the dealer and they earased all faults. Car had worked fine but 3 times it has gone into limp mode after reving the car to pass and over 90 miles. The car seems fine if you cruise 70/80 miles without forcing or high revving the engine. If you gas it it will put itself in limp mode. Reprograming the computer has not solved the problem and will have to take to dealer after that will sell and get a more dependable car. Plus now I have another problem were the battery light/ABS ESP has come on and car will not start. Battery is gone. Will have to jump start to get to the dealer and spend more money. Not happy at all......

Nick Bell

· #8 · Jul 20, 2011

Hi
I have 2007 6 speed manual 2.0 diesel Calibre and had the same problem with loosing power when under load overtaking or going up hill, it resets when you turn ignition off and back on. Dodge Wangara in WA has now had the car for 4 days and recon they have found the problem! They are saying it is the EGR solenoid valve, only down side is its going to take 2 weeks to get one in from Singapore (WTF)

. Time will tell if they have got it right or there just guessing.
Will post a let you all know how we go.

Cheers
Nick

tryduck

· #9 · Jul 28, 2011

These engines are not made for speed.Not sure what you were looking for when you opted for a diesel but if your looking to hit 9's in the 1/4 with it thats not going to happen.I would much rather a vehicle save its self from being destroyed then letting it over rev and blow a 3-4k turbo.IMO.Not sure who told you to rev to remove deposits but reving a diesel does nothing but tear it up faster.If these deposits are that bad and causing proformance issues then I would not want them breaking loose and going past the valves.Reving does not clean out anything!If anything it allows valve deposits to be sucked into Cylinders where they become grit that gets between the piston and rings causing scratches in the Cylinder sleeves which in turn cause the engine to loose compression,power and act like a gas engine with a misfire.I am not saying there isnt a issue with maybe the over boost settings parameters being to low at high vehicle speed.Just wouldnt have bought a Caliber with a diesel in it and expect it to be able to keep up with Porsche's,Audi's or any other performance vehicles.May try half pedal instead of WOT, Look ahead further and anticipate passing gradually instead of last min passing.

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Aleks

· #10 · Jul 28, 2011

tryduck said:
These engines are not made for speed.Not sure what you were looking for when you opted for a diesel but if your looking to hit 9's in the 1/4 with it thats not going to happen.I would much rather a vehicle save its self from being destroyed then letting it over rev and blow a 3-4k turbo.IMO.Not sure who told you to rev to remove deposits but reving a diesel does nothing but tear it up faster.If these deposits are that bad and causing proformance issues then I would not want them breaking loose and going past the valves.Reving does not clean out anything!Just wouldnt have bought a Caliber with a diesel in it and expect it to be able to keep up with Porsche's,Audi's or any other performance vehicles.

LE MANS 24HR 2011 result

Pos Class No Team Drivers Chassis Tyre Laps Engine
1 LMP1 2 Audi Sport Team Joest Marcel Fässler
André Lotterer
Benoît Tréluyer Audi R18 TDI M 355
Audi TDI 3.7 L Turbo V6
(Diesel)

2 LMP1 9 Team Peugeot Total Sébastien Bourdais
Simon Pagenaud
Pedro Lamy Peugeot 908 M 355
Peugeot HDi 3.7 L Turbo V8
(Diesel)

3 LMP1 8 Peugeot Sport Total Stéphane Sarrazin
Franck Montagny
Nicolas Minassian Peugeot 908 M 353
Peugeot HDi 3.7 L Turbo V8
(Diesel)

4 LMP1 7 Peugeot Sport Total Anthony Davidson
Alexander Wurz
Marc Gené Peugeot 908 M 351
Peugeot HDi 3.7 L Turbo V8
(Diesel)

5 LMP1 10 Team Oreca-Matmut Nicolas Lapierre
Loïc Duval
Olivier Panis Peugeot 908 HDi FAP M 339
Peugeot HDi 5.5 L Turbo V12
(Diesel)

6 LMP1 12 Rebellion Racing Nicolas Prost
Neel Jani
Jeroen Bleekemolen Lola B10/60 M 338
Toyota RV8KLM 3.4 L V8

7 LMP1 22 Kronos Racing
Marc VDS Racing Team Vanina Ickx
Bas Leinders
Maxime Martin Lola-Aston Martin B09/60 M 328
Aston Martin 6.0 L V12

8 LMP2 41 Greaves Motorsport Karim Ojjeh
Olivier Lombard
Tom Kimber-Smith Zytek Z11SN D 326
Nissan VK45DE 4.5 L V8

9 LMP2 26 Signatech Nissan Soheil Ayari
Franck Mailleux
Lucas Ordoñez Oreca 03 D 320
Nissan VK45DE 4.5 L V8

10 LMP2 33 Level 5 Motorsports Scott Tucker
Christophe Bouchut
João Barbosa Lola B08/80 M 319
HPD HR28TT 2.8 L Turbo V6

11 LMGTE
Pro 73 Corvette Racing Olivier Beretta
Tommy Milner
Antonio García Corvette C6.R M 314
Corvette 5.5 L V8

A DPF Diesel needs to be run at 50mph+ for 30 mins every week to 'blow out' the filter - burning off the particulates trapped during urban cycle.
Diesels used solely on school runs eventually get clogged exhausts requiring a dealer regeneration.
MY07 Calibers are NOT DPF, MY08s maybe. MY09 are.
MY10 2.2 CRDs are DPF also.

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Nick Bell

· #11 · Aug 15, 2011

Problem fixed !

Just to update everyone, finally got the EGR soliniod valve 2 1/2 weeks later and got it replaced, touch wood it seems to have solved the problem, the car has not lost power in the last few days and we have been putting it thru its paces to see how it goes. It looks like they got it right in the end!!

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DeanThompson

· #12 · Mar 18, 2013 (Edited)

It has appeared to fix my problem also (turbo cutting out under load & plumes of black smoke)edit... didnt fix black smoke

but now i still have a very loud turbo like a wastegatew stuck open or similar and very rough running, jumpy, hoppy around the point the turbo normally kicks in

Scottish.srt4

· #13 · Mar 27, 2013

Diesel Shudder

I dont know if this is the same problem as others have posted about.
I have a UK spec dodge caliber crd.
Now and again when i am driving around town or on the motorway,Once the car has started warming up,after 5-10mins (45c) and accelerating past 30mph the car starts to shudder and does this all the way upto 70mph
This has happened on a few occasions maybe a day after filling up.
I dont use bio-diesel or crappy petrol stations when filling up,I always use BP.
I dont get any dash warning lights,ive turned car off,let it sit for 5 mins and then carried on with my journey and the fault is still there.
I would of thought it would of reset itself after turning car off and letting it rest.

Those of you with better knowledge than me,Do you think this is the same issue as the posted bulletin from Prop1

Prop1

· #14 · Mar 27, 2013

Scottish.srt4 said:
I dont know if this is the same problem as others have posted about.
I have a UK spec dodge caliber crd.
Now and again when i am driving around town or on the motorway,Once the car has started warming up,after 5-10mins (45c) and accelerating past 30mph the car starts to shudder and does this all the way upto 70mph
This has happened on a few occasions maybe a day after filling up.
I dont use bio-diesel or crappy petrol stations when filling up,I always use BP.
I dont get any dash warning lights,ive turned car off,let it sit for 5 mins and then carried on with my journey and the fault is still there.
I would of thought it would of reset itself after turning car off and letting it rest.

Those of you with better knowledge than me,Do you think this is the same issue as the posted bulletin from Prop1

Could be one of the TSBs, or could could be like one of the members posted that it was his EGR that was bad.

Aleks

· #15 · Mar 29, 2013

How often have you been changing the fuel filter ?

daniel goodfellow

· #16 · Feb 18, 2017

I'm to having this same issue on my uk 2.0 crd sxt diesel where it goes into limp mode it's says it's overboosting and throwing po234 code and engine light as come Iv had this reset by my mate who also said it's thrown other codes to do with the egr valve Iv since replace the egr valve but still getting limp mode I did find tht there was a vacuum line split near where it starts near the battery terminal and the vacuum black box makes a horrible noise like its farting when u turn the engine off could this be back vacuum where air is going back on it
Also Iv got a problem with 5th gear where it will go into 5th on the rarest of occasions when u try and put it in it crunches like crazy so I then pull it into 6th or 4th please help

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