Stalling problem - 5 spd SXT

[Quiet Lunatic]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Hello, and we have experienced the same troubles with our SE 5 speed, it now sits in the shop...again, it stalled on a turn while downshifting from second to first...once again not driver error have been a stick driver for many years....this time we were at the dealership to collect key-chains and while idling by the service bay doors it stalled....then when I got a mechanic to look at it he started it and while he was saying it was driver error it stalled right in front of him with no-one at the wheel we were just standing beside it. So now we have to wait all week-end for a reply...apparently it stalled while hooked up to the computer....hummm driver error I think not. Will keep you updated, and stay safe....I sure don't feel safe driving this car.

tell your dealer to do this flash update i had the stalling to and many ohter people on differnt forums ,we all dit this flash and the stalling was gone in a flash
NUMBER: 18-033-06
GROUP: Vehicle Performance
DATE: November 2, 2006


THE StarSCAN® FLASH FILES FOR THIS BULLETIN MUST BE RETRIEVED FROM
THE INTERNET.

UPDATE CD 6.05 WAS THE LAST CD TO CONTAIN FLASH FILES FOR StarSCAN.

StarSCAN® SOFTWARE LEVEL MUST BE AT RELEASE 7.02 SP1 OR HIGHER FOR
THIS BULLETIN.

SUBJECT:

Flash: MIL Illumination/Generator Lamp Illumination/Oil Pressure Lamp
Illumination/Driveability Improvements

OVERVIEW:

This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Powertrain Control
Module (PCM) and the Transmission Control Module (TCM) with new software and
performing a memory reset to clear the adaptive memory of the PCM.

CAUTION: VEHICLES (PM/MK) EQUIPPED WITH A CVT TRANSMISSION MUST HAVE
THE TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE (TCM) CHECKED FOR THE
LATEST SOFTWARE LEVEL WHENEVER THE PCM SOFTWARE IS
UPGRADED. IF NEWER TCM SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE, IT MUST BE
INSTALLED.

MODELS:
2007 (JS) Sebring
2007 (PM) Caliber
2007 (MK49) Compass

NOTE: This bulletin applies to PM/MK models equipped with a 1.8L, 2.0L or 2.4L
gasoline engine (Sales Code EBA, ECN or ED3) built before October 24, 2006
(MDH 1024XX).

NOTE: This bulletin applies to JS models equipped with a 2.4L (Sales Code ED3)
with the condition of momentary (1 to 2 second) oil indicator lamp
illumination or flicker at idle and was originally addressed with RRT 06-048
Dated October 17, 2006.



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SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

Some customers may experience MIL illumination, Intermittent Generator Lamp
Illumination, Momentary (1 to 2 second) Oil indicator lamp illumination/flicker at idle or
momentary delay returning to idle after clutch actuation.

NOTE: Momentary oil lamp illumination at idle is due to oil pressure switch venting.
This will NOT cause engine damage. This condition is most noticeable when
the oil is hot, engine RPM is returned to idle and engine load from the power
steering system is quickly applied.

The technician may find one or more of the following DTC's or Symptoms:

• P0139 -O2 Sensor 1/2 Slow Response.
• P0700 -Transmission Control System (MIL REQUEST). This DTC is logged in PCM
and when TCM is checked, DTC's are not present.
• P063A -Generator Voltage Sense Circuit (Intermittent Generator Lamp Illumination).
• Momentary (1 to 2 second) Oil Indicator Lamp Illumination or Flicker at Idle
• Momentary Delay Returning to Idle when clutch is actuated (Vehicles Equipped with
2.4L Engine and Manual Transmission (Sales Code ED3 and DD7).
DIAGNOSIS:

Using a Scan Tool (StarSCAN®) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in
TechCONNECT, verify all engine systems are functioning as designed. If DTC's are
present record them on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further
with this bulletin.

If any of the above Symptom/Conditions are present, perform the Repair Procedure. If
P0139 was present, verify exhaust system integrity after the reprogramming event by
performing the drive cycle listed in TechCONNECT>Engine Electrical
Diagnosis>Diagnosis and Testing>P0139, follow step 10. If P0139 reoccurs exhaust
system leak checks and repairs will be required. Follow procedures listed in
TechCONNECT>Engine Electrical Diagnosis>Diagnosis and Testing>Checking the
Exhaust System for Leaks.

PARTS REQUIRED:

Qty. Part No. Description
1 04275086AB Label, Authorized Modification

SPECIAL TOOLS / EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:


NPN Battery Charger
CH9401 StarSCAN® Tool
CH9404 StarSCAN® Vehicle Cable
CH9409 StarSCAN® Documentation Kit
CH9410 StarSCAN® Ethernet Cable, 12 ft.
CH9412 StarSCAN® Software Update Device Kit
TechCONNECT PC or equivalent


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REPAIR PROCEDURE -USING THE INTERNET TO RETRIEVE THE FLASH FILE:

CAUTION: DO NOT START THE ENGINE PRIOR TO COMPLETING **STEP 5n and/or
8h**. IF THE PROCEDURE IS NOT ADHERED TO THE CONTROLLERS
MAY NOT COMPLETE THE PROGRAMMING PROCESS.

NOTE: When performing this Repair Procedure, the software release level in the
StarSCAN®; must be programmed with 7.02 SP1 software or higher. The
software release level is visible in the blue header at the top of the
StarSCAN® screen.

NOTE: The StarSCAN® diagnostic scan tool fully supports Internet connectivity.
However, to take advantage of this feature you must first configure the
StarSCAN® for your dealership's network. Make sure the StarSCAN® is
configured to the dealership's network before proceeding. For instruction on
setting up your StarSCAN® for the dealer's network refer to either:
“DealerCONNECT > Service > StarSCAN and StarMOBILE tools > Online
Documentation”, or refer to the StarSCAN® Quick Start Networking Guide.
The StarSCAN® Quick Start Networking Guide is also available on the
www.dcctools.com website under the "Download Center".

NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash should be restarted.

1. Install a battery charger and verify that the charging rate provides approximately 13.5
volts. Set the battery charger to continuous charge. Do not allow the charger to time
out during the flash process. Remove the charger from the battery when the flash
process is complete.
2. Connect the CH9410 StarSCAN® ethernet cable to the StarSCAN® and the dealer's
network drop.
3. Connect the CH9404 StarSCAN® vehicle cable to the StarSCAN® and the vehicle.
4. Power ON the StarSCAN®.
5. Using the StarSCAN® at the “Home” screen:
a. Select “ECU View”
b. Touch the screen to highlight the PCM in the list of modules.
c. Select “More Options”
d. Select “ECU Flash”
e. Record the part number at the top of the “Flash PCM” screen for later reference.
f. Select “Browse for New File”. Follow the on screen instructions.
g. Select “Download to Scantool”.
h. Select “Close” after the download is complete, then select “Back”.
i. Highlight the listed calibration.
j. Select “Update Controller”. Follow on screen instructions.
k. When the update is complete, select “OK”.
l. Verify the part number at the top of the “Flash PCM” screen has updated to the new
part number.
m.Turn the ignition switch to the OFF position for no less than 15 seconds.

n. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position (DO NOT CRANK THE ENGINE)
for no less than 20 seconds.

18-033-06 -4-


CAUTION: DO NOT START THE ENGINE PRIOR TO COMPLETING 5n OR 8h. IF THE
PROCEDURE IS NOT ADHERED TO THE CONTROLLER MAY NOT
COMPLETE THE PROGRAMMING PROCESS.

NOTE: Due to the PCM programming procedure, a DTC may be set in other modules
within the vehicle. Some DTC's may cause the MIL to illuminate. From the
“Home” screen select “System View”. Then select “All DTCs”. Press “Clear
All Stored DTCs” if there are any DTCs shown on the list.

PM/MK Models equipped with a CVT must have the TCM reprogrammed as follows:

6. Using the StarSCAN® at the “Home” screen:
a. Select “ECU View”
b. Touch the screen to highlight the TCM in the list of modules.
c. Select “More Options”
d. Select “ECU Flash”
e. Record the part number at the top of the “Flash TCM” screen for later reference.
f. Select “Browse for New File”. Follow the on screen instructions.
7. Is the TCM part number recorded in step 6e above, the same as the new p/n
shown on the “Flash File List” screen?
a. Yes >> No further action is necessary. Proceed to Step #9.
b. No >> the TCM will require flash reprogramming also, proceed to Step #8.
8. Flash reprogram the TCM as follows:
a. From the “Flash File List” screen, select “Download to Scantool”.
b. Select “Close” after the download is complete, then select “Back”.
c. Highlight the listed calibration.
d. Select “Update Controller”. Follow on screen instructions.
e. When the update is complete, select “OK”.
f. Verify the part number at the top of the “Flash TCM” screen has updated to the new
part number.
g. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF position for no less than 15 seconds.
h. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position (DO NOT CRANK THE ENGINE)
for no less than 20 seconds.
CAUTION: DO NOT START THE ENGINE PRIOR TO COMPLETING STEP 5n and 8h.
IF THE PROCEDURE IS NOT ADHERED TO THE CONTROLLER MAY NOT
COMPLETE THE PROGRAMMING PROCESS.

NOTE: Due to the TCM programming procedure, a DTC may be set in other modules
within the vehicle. Some DTC's may cause the MIL to illuminate. From the
“Home” screen select “System View”. Then select “All DTCs”. Press “Clear
All Stored DTCs” if there are any DTCs shown on the list.**

9. Reset the adaptive memory of the PCM with the StarSCAN®. Using the StarSCAN® at
the “Home Screen”:
a. Select “ECU View”.
b. Highlight “PCM” in the list of modules;
c. Select “Misc. Functions”.
d. Select “Reset Memory”.
e. Select “All Adaptive Memory”.

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NOTE: The following step is required by law when reprogramming a PCM and/or
TCM.

10. Type the necessary information on the “Authorized Modification Label” p/n
04275086AB and attach near the VECI label (Fig. 1).
Fig. 1 AUTHORIZED MODIFICATION LABEL

1 -**POWERTRAIN CONTROL / TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE P/N's (INSERT P/N's) USED**
2 -CHANGE AUTHORITY: TSB XX-XXX-XX
3 -DEALER CODE: XXXXX
4 -DATE: XX-XX-XX

POLICY:

Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:

Labor Operation No: Description Amount
18-19-06-29 (JS) Module, Powertrain Control (PCM) Reprogram
(B)
0.4 Hrs.
18-19-03-14 (PM/MK w/MT) Module, Powertrain Control (PCM)
-Reprogram (B)
0.4 Hrs.
18-19-03-15 (PM/MK w/CVT) Module, Powertrain Control
(PCM) and Transmission Control (TCM) Reprogram
(B)
0.5 Hrs.

[Hecate]

Well my husband is still at the dealership....over 3 hours now...trying to get some answers ...he has been waiting for the owner ...who he is told is on his way....over an hour wait....hummm...maybe a stall of another kind....we've had this car for 17 days ....three days of it in the shop.....thanks for the answers they have given more info to lay on them at the dealership.

[Prop1]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Well my husband is still at the dealership....over 3 hours now...trying to get some answers ...he has been waiting for the owner ...who he is told is on his way....over an hour wait....hummm...maybe a stall of another kind....we've had this car for 17 days ....three days of it in the shop.....thanks for the answers they have given more info to lay on them at the dealership.

Print the above TSB and show it to the dealer. This is a computer problem that is playing with the fuel delivery. As I eluded to before, smart techs would have performed the TSB that's been out for a couple months.

[Hecate]

Well here's the update, our Caliber SE still in shop...they have taken "pictures" of the problem and sent them off to Chrysler head office...they have no idea what the problem is...it stalled while under power...& towed to dealership within 24 hour of the sale, that was Jan 23/07 .. now it stalls again......it sputtered while the mechanic was telling us it's due to driver error, then it stalled in traffic (10 minutes later) brought it back on Friday last and it sits there still...they are waiting for the "engineering department" from Chrysler to diagnos the problem...that was three days ago......they now have all our money (paid cash) our new car and our trade in....if this was a toaster I'd have taken it back and bought another-one elsewhere.....what to do

[Hecate]

We have showed this to them and they asked where we got it and that they nothing about this problem and nothing about any recalls on the Caliber. We are getting shafted, we are fighting...as hard as you can imagine.

[Quiet Lunatic]

It has surprised me how reluctant Dodge is to communicate to owners and dealers. The dealership went through the same process with me - I took the sheet in from this forum and finally they realized there was a flash update out there. Calling Dodge directly I was told to talk to the dealership - the dealership said Dodge had no answers - as a customer I was left hanging. They finally did get it fixed and the car works well but I was left with a feeling that in Dodge's opinion I was lucky they let me buy one of their vehicles and I should be thankful.

[Brownie83]

I bought my car in Sept. of last year. I have probably driven the car 4 1/2 out of 6 months. It stalls when the engine is cold. We have had it into the dealership 5 times now for the same problem and been told "it's fixed" and "weather through it". They have basically treated me as if I am making it up.
I do understand that I bought a first model year car, but most people would think with the help of the GOOD Dealership it should still be a good experience even if there is some bugs. I have contacted a Lemon Law Lawyer. I also called Daimler Chrysler's Cust. Service and let them know that we are bordering the parameters of the Lemon Law. They told my husband that we have to get a second opinion from another dodge dealership, so as dumb as I think that is, that is our next step if I get my car back anytime soon. They have given me a loaner, but I'm sick of messing with it. I'm regreting making the decision on buying a new car. I should have just kept my 95 Camry, it was still runnin like a champ. It's so frustrating.

[Prop1]

Originally Posted by Brownie83

I bought my car in Sept. of last year. I have probably driven the car 4 1/2 out of 6 months. It stalls when the engine is cold. We have had it into the dealership 5 times now for the same problem and been told "it's fixed" and "weather through it". They have basically treated me as if I am making it up.
I do understand that I bought a first model year car, but most people would think with the help of the GOOD Dealership it should still be a good experience even if there is some bugs. I have contacted a Lemon Law Lawyer. I also called Daimler Chrysler's Cust. Service and let them know that we are bordering the parameters of the Lemon Law. They told my husband that we have to get a second opinion from another dodge dealership, so as dumb as I think that is, that is our next step if I get my car back anytime soon. They have given me a loaner, but I'm sick of messing with it. I'm regreting making the decision on buying a new car. I should have just kept my 95 Camry, it was still runnin like a champ. It's so frustrating.

When a dealer can't fix a problem, and makes excuses, it usually means their repair facility sucks. It makes perfect sense to go to another dealer. A good dealer would have had your problem fixed immediately. If they couldn't, they would have gotten a corporate tech out to fix it.

[Caliber101]

lol.....someone else is going to get screwed. Hi yea, is it an under power problem when the accelerator is slightly pressed and the rpms dive to near stall? Does it stall with the clutch in? If it does you have the problem I had, and now my SE 5speed with 11000kms is in the shop having the transmission replaced. Good luck with dodge paying for ur rental unless you have a service contract. Tell them to reference File Number #15974604 for information about this problem.


Have Fun and Good Luck

[Brownie83]

No, it's an automatic. It stalls when the engine is cold, like sitting all night or 8 hours while I'm at work. The only time I have experienced the problem is going to work in the morning and leaving in the afternoon. In colder months I didn't notice it as much since I was letting the engine warm up for 10 minutes or so before leaving.

I have no arguments about the relevence of getting a second opinion, I was referring to the fact that Daimler Chrys. says we HAVE to get it checked out by another dealership before we can say we've got a lemon, but the Illinois State Lemon Law doesn't say anything about taking it to more then one Dealership. DC is above the law apparently.